Friday, April 13, 2012

Norris–Madison: Gibbon Canyon Road Closure

We have tentative plans to be in Yellowstone somewhere around September 10th for a few days. We were planning on staying in West Yellowstone after being in the Jackson Hole area for a couple of days. We would be entering the park via the South entrance and then doing the Old Faithful area and exiting out thru the West Yellowsotne entrance. The next day we were planning on dong the upper loop, gain entering via the West Yellowstone loop. However, I see on the N.P. website that a stretch of the road between Norris and Madison is now going to be closed on August 17th for the remainder of the season. From West Yellowstone to access the upper loop it looks like we%26#39;d to go north to Bozeman, across to Livingston to enter via the North entrance, which seem like a lot of extra driving. Since we are going to Glacier next and flying out of there, we need a one-way car rental. Billings doesn%26#39;t provide good options for that, at least not at reasonable rate so coming in from east entrance via Billings is not the best option. Is it the only option? Seems like that road closure is really going to put a cramp in people%26#39;s ability to do both loops no matter where they stay. Any suggestion on how to do both loops without too much backtracking or going way out of our way?



Norris%26ndash;Madison: Gibbon Canyon Road Closure


What about staying somewhere else other than West Yellowstone? Either right in the park, or Gardiner or Cooke City?





OR...if you do stay in West Yellowstone, you could enter YNP through that entrance, drive south past geyser area and Yellowstone lake, then up through Canyon to access the north loop that way. Still a lot of extra driving, but at least you%26#39;re in the park;-).





We%26#39;ll be in YNP a little bit earlier than you guys, and the road closure is impacting our trip a bit too. We%26#39;ll have to drive from Old Faithful Inn past the lake area, up to Canyon and then over to Norris to start one of our days. I guess the plus is that maybe we%26#39;ll see some wildlife driving early through Hayden valley!



Norris%26ndash;Madison: Gibbon Canyon Road Closure


If you can%26#39;t - or would rather not - get lodging in the Park, Gardiner might be a good place for you to stay. As you%26#39;ve seen on the YNP map, that SW section of the ';figure 8'; won%26#39;t be accessible - so will cause some backtracking no matter where you are.



I%26#39;m not sure I understand your question about the car rental. Where are you flying into? If you could clarify that, we can try to help with the options.




OK, here%26#39;s a few more facts: We got an incredible deal at a condo near Glacier so booked that for a week. Planning on doing day trips out of there and possibly doing Waterton Lakes. Original plan was to just fly in and out of Glacier airport. Then started thinking about maybe we should do Yellowstone %26amp; Grand Teton also. However, reserch revealed that is 6-8 hour drive (varies by posting) between Yellowstone area and Glacier, so this ruled out a day trip.





Starting exploring various airports to fly into near Yellowstone or Grand Teton and eliminate having to make the long drive in both directions. We defintely want to return out of Glacier. I went back and checked airfares today to various places (Billings, Butte, Bozeman, Jackson Hole, %26amp; Idaho Falls). All are about $50 of each other (yesterday Idaho Falls was $115 less than today). Problem is trying to find doable flights that don%26#39;t require 4 planes (3%26#39;s my limit and is actually the only way we%26#39;ll get to any of the airports listed above) and/or 4 or more hour layovers on at least one leg.





Next problem is car rentals. Picking up at one location and dropping off at another adds considerable cost. Dollar and Budget don%26#39;t even allow it when paired with Glacier. Hertz and Avis are off-the-charts- compared to Alamo and National. With both of them, only pick-up at Jackson Hole %26amp; Idaho Falls offers unlimited miles. I really don%26#39;t want to get into a situation where I have to worry about how many miles I%26#39;m putting on the car.





Right now, I haven%26#39;t made any flight rservations, trying to work out the logistics.





Doesn%26#39;t seem like doing the two loops is going to be easy no mater where we stay. I guess Gardiner would allow doing the upper loop without backtracking but still will require backtracking for the lower loop. Guess I%26#39;ll look in to options in Gardiner.





Thanks for the help.




Hi Barb,



The closing of the Madison to Norris road on August 17th is going to cause an inconvenience but its something that just has to be done to complete the construction in that area. A couple of years ago the Canyon to Tower road was closed for 2 straight years for construction. Even though backtracking is sometimes a pain in Yellowstone its not that bad. I%26#39;ve been going to Yellowstone every year for 30+ years and still haven%26#39;t seen it all. I always end up doing lots of backtracking because I like staying at Bridge Bay campground. It is amazing how many times I%26#39;ve driven a road and all of a sudden see something new.





Actually, having to go around the lower loop to get to Mammoth adds only about 70 miles. If the Madison-Norris section was opened it would be 49 miles from West Yellowstone to Mammoth. Going around the lower loop to Mammoth is 117-121 miles depending which way you go once you get to Canyon Junction. Like I said before you can backtrack multiple times in the park and see something new each time- especially animals.





Driving from West Yellowstone to Bozeman via Gallatin Canyon and then to Livingston and down through Paradise Valley to Mammoth is 175 miles. Both Gallatin Canyon and Paradise Valley are beautiful to see. Both roads are 2 lane and have lots of traffic. Bozeman has the Museum of the Rockies which has a great dinosaur display if you have time to stop there.



Deb




Just wanted to ask if you%26#39;ve checked Northwest Airlines? I made reservations to visit family in Schenectady - and there is a flight from Bozeman to Albany with just one stopover in Minneapolis. Worth looking into...




I%26#39;ll check the Bozeman flight but unfortunately, the limited miles with the ';affordable'; car rentals may put a cramp in that. Sorry, but not paying between $750-$1000 for a car rental with unlimited miles just to add a few extra days to our trip. That%26#39;s hundreds of $ to over double of what we%26#39;d pay just going to Glacier.I%26#39;m better off flying into Jackson or Idaho Falls ad getting one with unlimited miles for far less money. As I said, I don%26#39;t want to have to worry about how many miles I%26#39;m driving, especially since I%26#39;d now need to be driving more just in Yellowstone because of the road closure. Thanks for the replies though. Guess it%26#39;s back to the drawing board!

English Premiership football !

Hi, does anyone know of either a bar (or US TV channel) in Jackson Hole that will be broadcasting the final day of English Premiership football (or soccer if you are a US national!) matches that take place on Sunday 24th May?



Thanks!!!



English Premiership football !


Your chances may be slim due to lack of following as well as location far from a large enough population that is interested. ESPN looks like of carrys only UEFA and that would have been the best chance.





But it may be worthwhile to contact one or more bars in Jackson to see if they would be willing to open early enough on a Sunday as well as to check and see if any of the sattelite services will carry it in the US. Not sure if any of the services carry Sky Sports for the US market.





A possible candidates found in a quick web search:





http://www.sidewinderstavern.com/





This is the only ';sports bar'; I could find. Sports bars being places with better TV feeds and better chance of having a channel to carry it. Due to time difference if it is available it would likely be before their 11am Sunday opening time but perhaps arrangement could be made to be let in earlier if there is staff there anyway.





I think it is at 3PM so something like 8am in Jackson so next best option may be one of the larger hotels that has full sattelite service and may subscribe to sports services that might carry it in a bar that, even if not open yet, might be able to have the TV turned on that early.



English Premiership football !


Many thanks for taking the time to reply - much appreciated! Will give your recommendations a try!


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  • Beartooth Pass is open!

    Yea! Its opened!!!! My grandson and I will be going over it tomorrow. I%26#39;ll post a trip report and pictures. I%26#39;m soooooo excited.





    Beartooth Highway Pass Opens - 2009





    The Beartooth Highway officially opened at 8:00 am Friday, May 22 for the summer season. MDT is responsible for the highway to the Montana/Wyoming border, where the National Park Service takes over jurisdiction through Wyoming, back into Montana and into Yellowstone Park. MDT and NPS coordinate closely in keeping the road open throughout the summer.





    Because of the high elevation on this mountain pass, travelers should check current weather and road conditions. Crews make every effort to keep the road plowed and open, however unpredictable weather conditions may cause temporary closures throughout the summer.



    Beartooth Pass is open!


    Thanks Deb. That will make a poster on another forum very happy! I%26#39;ll spread the word there.



    Tet

    Advice please

    We (hubby, daughter-17, sons-14 and 11) are flying into Billings on June 14, staying with a friend that night. June 15th we are going to drive thru the Beartooth Mountains (weather permiting) and arrive at Canyon Village cabins for 4 nights. Tuesday-lower loop, Wednesday-upper loop, Thursday-drive down to the Tetons and back, Friday go to Gallatin Gateway for a wedding on Saturday and fly out of Billings on Sunday.

    1. Are there picnic tables and/or grills at the cabins at Canyon Village?

    2. We are thinking of rafting on Wednesday either Gallatin river or Yellowstone River. Any suggestions?

    3. What are the misquitos like in June?

    4. How do we find out about ranger camp fire talks?

    Thanks for all your help.

    Advice please

    The check in desk at Canyon will have information about ranger programs. Best visitor center in the park is right there, as well.

    Not sure about picnic tables and grills. You could phone them and ask.

    There%26#39;s a great program for your aged children called the Young Scientist program. You buy the workbook for $5, they have to think and receive a patch or keychain at the end. The fee is to pay for the materials so it doesn%26#39;t have to come our of park budget ... helps the park. It could be completed while you tour the park. Very educational!

    Advice please

    Try to bring binoculars... it%26#39;ll enhance your wildlife viewing.


    1. From what I remember, no there are no picnic tables and grills at the cabins, but there are a number of picnic areas around that have grills.

    2. There are a few outfitters in Gardiner that have raft trips. I have not done a raft trip there, so can%26#39;t help much on which river is better. Maybe search this forum.

    3. I would bring bug spray! Mosquitoes and/or flies! May and June usually have more mosquitoes, July/August more biting flies.

    4. These talks will be listed in the information you get when you enter and at the various visitor centers and campgrounds. Here%26#39;s an online listing www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/rangerprog.htm

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  • air travel to Yellowstone

    where is the best and least expensive place(s) to fly into to go Yellowstone other than Jackson Hole which seems very expensive?



    air travel to Yellowstone


    If you are near a Southwest airlines airport then you can get good deals to fly into Salt Lake City. That is what we are doing in July.



    air travel to Yellowstone


    The closest airports are all smaller regional ones - and therefore more expensive since there aren%26#39;t direct flights. You might check out Bozeman and Billings MT.



    Your other options, which will be cheaper but will require more driving are Salt Lake City (about a 6 hr drive to YNP) and Denver (about 9-10 hours).




    Thank you so much for the info. I will check those out! Have fun while there.




    I was checking those same things this time last year for our trip this year. From Philadelphia, the flights into Billings/Bozeman were pretty close in price. The rental car prices are what clinched it for me - we picked Bozeman and got a rental car quote for @$215.00 for 11 days w/unlimited mileage. Of course, the taxes, etc. will go up, but the base price should not change.





    I used the below site for ';codes'; for the rental. Even if you%26#39;re not traveling to Florida or Disney World, there are several that can be used anywhere. Thanks to this site, I was able to was able to get a good deal on a car.





    http://www.mousesavers.com/rentalcar.html





    Good luck with your decision and have a wonderful time!




    we are flying into Jackson Hole and found great rates. check air rates on Mon night around midnight!

    Trip to Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Etc.

    We%26#39;re planning a trip with our boys, 12 and 15, to see Yellowstone and Grand Teton around the third week of August. We%26#39;ll be able to spend 9-10 days (including travel). We%26#39;re planning to spend part of that time in West Yellowstone.





    Questions:



    *We%26#39;re flying out of the NY area. What is the best major airport to fly into?



    *We want to see other things while we%26#39;re out west, such as Mount Rushmore. Is it feasible to see Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Mount Rushmore, given the amount of time we have? What route would you recommend?



    *What else would you recommend we see/do while we%26#39;re out there?





    Thanks for any tips!



    Trip to Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Etc.


    You can fly into Salt Lake City and drive to Jackson or West Yellowstone from there. Or, you can fly into a smaller airport such as Idaho Falls, Pocatello (ID), or Bozeman (MT). I can drive to West Yellowstone or Jackson from Idaho Falls in about 2 hours. Salt Lake to Idaho Falls is about 3 and a half hours. Rush hour traffic in Salt Lake will add to that.





    Mount Rushmore is at least 400 miles from Cody, WY. You%26#39;ll spend a whole day driving from the Yellowstone area to Mount Rushmore. Personally, I wouldn%26#39;t do it. There are miles of trails to hike in both Grand Teton and Yellowstone. You could spend a couple of days viewing the museums in Cody alone. There is a nice wildlife art museum in Jackson. There are waterfalls and lakes in Island Park, ID. You could take scenic horseback rides both inside and outside the park. You can take a scenic or whitewater float trip with a number of Jackson outfitters. In short, there are many things to do in the area without involving a trek to South Dakota. I guess it just depends on how badly you want to see Mt. Rushmore, and how much time you want to spend in a car. Get some good maps of both the parks as well as Wyoming to help you with this decision. Things are a lot farther apart out here than back east.





    Best of Luck!





    Trip to Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Etc.


    Something else to consider would be whether you are flying in and out of the same airport. If you would fly into an airport close to Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons and fly out of Rapid City, it would still be feasible to do both in one trip, maybe even with stops at Little Bighorn Battlefield and Devil%26#39;s Tower on the way. It would be a lot of driving and extra time on the road to fly in and out of the same airport. But I know it can be a pain to arrange flights the other way.




    I%26#39;m flying out of New York in September, visiting Big Sky, MT - Yellowstone - Grand Teton Nat%26#39;l Park - Jackson.





    After doing some research, I found that United, out of LaGuardia, and via Denver, had the most options: I am booked LGA/DENVER/BOZEMAN, returning JACKSON/DENVER/LGA. I chose this routing because there are several flights each day through Denver, so that if we misconnect, we will always have a nonstop back-up flight, no overnight at the airport, and we avoid a much more complicated itinerary. Our departures are in the early morning.





    You can also check out Delta via Atlanta or Salt Lake City, but I found that UA worked best for itinerary support.




    We too are visiting the area in July. My original plan was the same as yours, trying to fit in Mount Rushmore and a day at Badlands. We have 10 days but did not want to rush through Grand Teton and Yellowstone. We like to take ranger walks, picnic etc. Since both me and my husband hate long drives (anything over 5 hours) we changed plans and are now flying from LGA -JAC round trip (thanks to United FF miles). But these days I feel myself flip flopping again, because if we don%26#39;t do Badlands and Mount Rushmore on this trip, it%26#39;s unlikely we%26#39;ll ever see it. So now I%26#39;m considering into JAC and out of RAP. I just couldn%26#39;t figure out a 10 day ';circle'; like when we went to Vegas-Grand Canyon- Lake Powell-Bryce-Zion Vegas. Any other suggestions out there?




    Somersmom.....My husband and I traveling to the same areas as you are this August. We are flying into Rapid City. I have never been to any of these areas of the country, but Rapid City seems to be the best for Mount Rushmore, Grand Tetons, and Custer State Park. You might want to consider flying back from Jackson Wyoming if you are visiting Yellowstone and not wanting to drive back to RAP.



    Our trip is also continuing on to Yosemite and then to the Grand Canyon. We are flying back from Phoenix.



    It sounds like you are using FF miles. What I thought was strange is that our airfare was cheaper flying multicity than roundtrip.



    There are quite a few people on this forum that have excellent knowlegde and suggestions. I am sure you will get the suggestions that you need.



    Good Luck!





    Karyn




    Sorry...I was looking at the wrong post concerning FF miles!





    Karyn




    Somersmom, We vacationed in these areas quite a few times,driving from Pa.We were just in this area this past Sep.



    Gibby2 gives good advice about airport and some nice places to visit. halfcrazymom some decent advice but bad advice to leave Mt rushmore out and spend a few days in museums???? The scenic Black Hills of S.D. a must.Mt Rushmore,Custer State Park,Crazy Horse Monument,needles highway,iron mountain road etc.Mt Rushmore night (lighting) ceremony awesome. Bear Country USA a good stop on way to Hill City from Rapid City. When here in the Black Hills we always stay in Hill City ,a quiet charming little western town.Alpine Inn the marquee of H.C. the BEST for dining and deserts can%26#39;t be beat.This is one of the many GEMS of the Black Hills.If Rapid City In and Out airport then:





    Day 1 Rapid City Badlands?Wall Drugs



    Day 2-3 Hill city S.D.



    Day 4 Red Lodge Montana via Little Bighorn Battlefield,



    420 miles from H.C to Red Lodge.



    Day 5 Northern Part of Yellowstone Staying in the Mammoth area



    via highway 212 (Beartooth Pass )considered one of the most scenic roads in America



    Day 6-7 Southern part of Yellowstone(Old Faithful) with a day trip



    to view the gorgeous Grand Teton Park.



    Day 8 Cody



    Day 9 Sundance Wyoming (Devils Tower N. M.)



    Day 10 Rapid City via Deadwood.





    All Gorgeous Stops....so LITTLE TIME.............





    Planning is part of the fun but can be frustrating until u put it all



    together,Only u will know when it all clicks together.



    Time is short but don%26#39;t leave out the Black Hills of South Dakota.





    Good Luck with this AWESOME trip....




    GadaboutLady make time for Mt Rushmore.....the GEM of S.D.



    Rest when u get back




    Thanks for your helpful replies! After doing some more research, wanted to get suggestions/feedback on this possible itinerary:





    fly from NY to Rapid City, SD



    2 nights in Rapid City



    Drive to Sheridan, Wyoming



    2 nights in Sheridan



    Drive to Cody - spend afternoon - en route to West Yellowstone



    4 or 5 nights in West Yellowstone



    visit Yellowstone (of course), Grand Teton, relax at hotel, etc.



    fly to NY from ? Bozeman, Montana? Not sure what biggest airport is within a reasonable drive from West Yellowstone.





    Appreciate your thoughts!




    Somersom,I think you should go back to the drawing board.......





    2 days in Sheridan???????????????





    Your itinerary needs LOTS of work..................

    Friday, March 30, 2012

    Grand teton adventure co. or Brush Buck Tour

    It looks like we might be going with GT Adventure tour. Has anyone used this co for the tour of yellowstone? Or has anyone used Brush buck yellowstone tour. Help need to make up mind soon.



    thanks



    pat



    Grand teton adventure co. or Brush Buck Tour


    bumping for you. We used Jackson Hole Wildlife Dafaris and they were good.



    Grand teton adventure co. or Brush Buck Tour


    oh boy what a time I%26#39;m having making up my mine. But I think I finally did. I%26#39;m going with Wildlife Expeditions, reason is because of the vehicle they have. Safari style van with the roof hatches. They cost more but I think its worth it. Thanks for the help.



    Pat